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This is genuinely one of the clearest articulations I've seen of why the realism/antirealism binary is a false choice, and your use of Helmholtz's perception argument to show that our mental models are inherently inseperable from the observed reality is brilliant. The Latent Platonism framing really clicked for me because I've noticed in tech circles how people will bend themselves into pretzels trying to make messy human behavior fit clean conceptual models rather than accepting that the map just isn't the territor y sometimes. I dunno if "Demirealism" will catch on as a term, but the underlying idea that we need facts while simultaneously holding them lightly, recognizing both the pushback of reality and the limits of our access to it, feels like the exact epistemic stance our current moment demands.

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I find it hard to disagree with any element of your argument here - it seems hard to justify either extreme. And as you say, there are perhaps a lot of people in the middle with a qualified view, but a slightly different focus or starting point. I would say traditionally, due to a surfeit of humanities analysis and a habit of questioning everything, I've been more in the antirealist camp (although untheorised in the exact way you've laid out). I eventually found during my literature/history PhD that I got into quite a solipsistic we-can't-really-know-anything-about-any-of-this headspace. And I ended up with fairly unsatisfying negative conclusions like 'we actually know a lot less about this thing that we thought, because lots of the evidence is faulty'. There's a maybe a place for this but honestly it just doesn't feel... good. It's not that we should sate our desire for answers and structures by just giving ourselves false ones and blindly sticking to them, but maybe some degree of this is necessary to think anything? To be able to actually _do_ anything? To act on the world without being stuck in a paralysed mass of uncertainty?

P.s. Relatedly, when I was a teenager my mum had a postcard on the wall with a quote from Karl Marx saying 'Question everything'. I wrote on it in biro: 'Why?'

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